Black or Silver ?

Discussion in 'Leica M Camera Forum' started by Ricoh, Sep 26, 2015.

  1. Ricoh

    Ricoh Leica Place Regular

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    Steve
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    I'm aware it's a personal choice, just like the colour of a car, but which one wears more aesthetically, Black or Silver? I must say I like the look of the two-tone black-silver, it looks really nice.
     
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  2. dalethorn

    dalethorn Guest

    Uh-oh -- I'm ruined. I looked them up, and the first I saw was the "Leica 60" edition. Yummy! Then there was a Safari edition, which I love. Then the 'regular' cameras. By that time it was over for me.
     
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  3. Brian

    Brian Super Moderator Subscribing Member

    Apr 3, 2013
    M8 - chrome, looks great after 6+years;
    M9- Black Paint, looks great after 4+ years
    M Monochrom- Black chrome- looks great after ~3years...

    So not- not Black or Chrome... Black AND Chrome, Baby....
     
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  4. Ricoh

    Ricoh Leica Place Regular

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    Did I commit the cardinal sin calling it silver! Sorry, you're so right!

    Black & Chrome looks so damn nice and my wife, God bless her, has pointed out this is not a dress rehearsal. I feel bullets between my teeth.
     
  5. Amin Sabet

    Amin Sabet Administrator

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    I don't know. My only body right now is a silver MP, but I think I like black best!
     
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  6. Ricoh

    Ricoh Leica Place Regular

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    Steve
    At a practical level I believe it's easier to get black insulating tape for the M240 - not an issue for the MP of course.
    I always thought cars should be sold in a choice of two colours, A or B, making the decision making easier. Leica sort of do this with their cameras, but still it's a difficult choice!
     
  7. raid

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    Both types are fine for me. My M8 is black while my M9 has chrome on it.
     
  8. VINCETAN

    VINCETAN Leica Place Top Veteran

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    Black paint are really pretty when new, after a few years of steady use, you will start to see brassing on some areas no matter how careful you are. Some like this as it give it character. Leica even charge you extra for this. Some people like their camera to look like new however so black paint will be hard to maintain. I feel that today's silver chrome body are not like the silver chrome of the M4 or M3 or even the M6. They just seem to be a little more high maintenance than the old camera. Easy to get finger print. They still are harder to wear out than the black paint. Black chrome are same as the silver, they will last longer than the black paint. Worn out black chrome is unique looking. Almost greyish tone. Personally, I love the silver camera. With the silver lens, they are heavier however. BTW, M9 silver is silver paint while the M9-P is like that of the M8, 8.2, M240 and MP.
     
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  9. Ricoh

    Ricoh Leica Place Regular

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    Steve
    ^ '...the silver camera. With the silver lens, they are heavier however'

    I thought the underlying materials were a constant, the depth of finish being measured in microns and insignificant compared to all the brass, glass and other metallics.
     
  10. VINCETAN

    VINCETAN Leica Place Top Veteran

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    The camera might be the same but the silver lens is definitely heavier.
     
  11. Ricoh

    Ricoh Leica Place Regular

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    Steve
    If the 'silver' is actually chrome plating, brass is a really good substrate. Perhaps more brass in the 'silver' lens - pure guess work, but I'd love to know.

    Regarding the M 240, and reading what you had to say above, is the black version paint, not anodised or black chrome, but the silver version is actually chrome, not silver paint?

    I do apologise for all these questions, but I can see there is a knowledgeable membership here and a wealth of experience. Where better to ask, but I'm aware your patience may run out.
     
  12. VINCETAN

    VINCETAN Leica Place Top Veteran

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    I found this on a http://www.nemeng.com/leica/022e.slhtm

    There is however a difference in weight between black and chrome lenses. This is because black lenses are made from aluminium alloy which is then black anodised, whilst chrome lenses are made from (much heavier) brass, which is nickel plated prior to the final chrome plate. Leica have to do this as the silver-chrome adheres far more reliably to brass/nickel than aluminium.
     
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  13. Ricoh

    Ricoh Leica Place Regular

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    Steve
    Thanks Vincetan. It it wouldn't be surprising if the company sold more silver lenses. I think it would influence some, even at the expense of extra weight.
    The Leica FAQs make interesting reading. It suggests the M6 had a zinc top plate, hence the pitted examples. Leica reverted to brass on the M7, and onwards after that.
     
  14. M240

    M240 Leica Place Regular

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    I have owned a black film MP and a black M240 in the past. At present, I own a black chrome M4-P and a Safari set M-P. I have never not liked the appearance of any of these cameras.

    I have never owned a chrome and black M body, but would like to; I like the classic old school look of these cameras.
    I am hoping that before too many more years pass, a chrome and black M3, M4-P or M5 will join my small Leica family.

    All of the production M cameras are beautiful, regardless of their finish, as are the Safari cameras. It takes a hell of a lot of effort to actually make an M camera ugly, but Hermes managed to do just that with the orange leather M7. I have seen photos of some ala carte M cameras that IMHO were ugly - black paint with red leather, and black paint with green leather. Bluck...
     
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  15. Ricoh

    Ricoh Leica Place Regular

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    Steve
    Orange, red or green leather - what a sacrilege!!
     
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  16. VINCETAN

    VINCETAN Leica Place Top Veteran

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    There are so many M4s and M3s out there at such a great price that I am very tempted to pick one up even though I do not shoot film anymore. In fact, I picked up a mint Nikon F2 AS black paint because the price is so good and I really enjoyed that camera back in the 80s. Nostalgia.



     
  17. dante

    dante Leica Place Rookie

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    The 240 looks better in chrome. I subsequently bought a 246 in black chrome because that's all I could get for a Monochrom. It somehow suits that camera.

    I think the two worst finishes are silver and black paint.

    Dante
     
  18. Ricoh

    Ricoh Leica Place Regular

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    Steve
    Thanks dante, I started the thread some time ago, September last year I believe, when I had difficulty deciding and thought I'd garner inputs from the community. Anyway I purchased a black M240 in October, but thanks for your input.
    As an aside, I recently purchased a silver 50 lux ASPH and it looks rather nice on the black M240. The reason being it was £500 ($700 approx) cheaper than a black- paint aluminium version. Simple, really!
    Someone warned me about Leica GAS, but I thought I had stronger will power, sadly not!!
     
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  19. xdayv

    xdayv Leica Place Veteran

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    Black is black. But the chrome/silver is also nice. Can't have both, so I choose black haha.
     
  20. PaulJ

    PaulJ Leica Place Regular

    M6 (Titanium)
    M7 (Black)

    I'm more bothered about condition and functionality and, when I have my eye to the viewfinder, I can't see what colour they are anyway ;)