Leica M Landscape?

Discussion in 'Leica M Camera Forum' started by dornblaser, Apr 27, 2013.

  1. dornblaser

    dornblaser New to Leica Place

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    Greetings:

    I am a semi-regular on Amin's m43's site. I am settled with my video needs. For stills, we grew up with the Olympus OM-1, etc., and we were easy converts to the Oly PEN and OMD series. We do a lot of travel, urban photography, etc. We also do hiking, outdoors photography but we are not birders and rarely reach for a lens over 90 FF equivalent unless we are in Yellowstone, Africa, etc. My query is this: I see relatively few landscape shots with a Leica M system, why is that?

    - David
     
  2. usayit

    usayit Leica Place Regular Subscribing Member

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    Actually, most of my landscape shots are with the Leica M... usually with the 24mm Elmarit or 35mm f/2.5 Summarit. Then again the vast majority of my library is with the Leica M.

    Only recently did I do a lot more with the micro 4/3rds because frankly its easy to loose stuff when you are juggling a 6 year old and a pair of 5 month old twins... plus all the junk... er.. necessities required. There was one case that I walked off with my bag a few feet behind when a nice fellow yelled out to me about my bag. My bag never leaves my shoulder but I just couldn't juggle everything. Little did he know that that kind stranger just saved me a potential loss of many thousands (well not exactly... they are insured.. I still would have been really upset).

    When I'm out on my own, I am usually carrying my Leica.. especially for landscape.


    I will say one thing... Live view rocks for pure comfort... especially when paired to a tilt screen. The OMD E-M5 did WONDERFULLY! with landscapes. Some of which you can see posted on the sister site m43. One of the advantages of Leica's modern optics is their corner to corner image quality at wide open... for landscapes, I'm typically at f/8 to f/11... not really that important.
     
  3. dornblaser

    dornblaser New to Leica Place

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    Apr 27, 2013
    Hi usayit,

    I certainly know your posts on m43s site, thank you for replying. I am happy with my OMD kit, O12, O17, O45 plus the normal zooms along with the V17 and V25. I recently posted a similar thread about asking about the OMD with good glass vs. a Leica system on the m43s site. I wish that I had a friend that had a Leica system that I could play with .........

    - David
     
  4. Penfan2010

    Penfan2010 Leica Place Regular

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    Apr 18, 2013
    David - see this other thread I started last week.

    https://www.leicaplace.com/f28/grea...photographer-sebastian-salgados-new-book-111/
     
  5. dornblaser

    dornblaser New to Leica Place

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    Apr 27, 2013
    Hi Penfan2010,

    Thanks, I found your thread after I posted this thread.

    - David
     
  6. defektive

    defektive Leica Place Regular

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    Mar 30, 2013
    Hi David,
    If you are looking at shooting wider than 28mm you also need to mount an external finder on the shoe mount (or guess the frame) as the M's do not provide frames for lesser focal lengths. I do a bit of hiking and do not use an external finder on my camera as they stick out from the body and can be easy to knock off. It is also more time consuming for each shot as you need to compose the shot in the external finder then focus in the camera's finder. It does not worry me because I don't really go wider than 35mm anyway. What does irk me is the minimum focus distance (usually 70cm - 1.5m depending on focal length) of the M system, I have bought into the R system as well for added flexibility.
     
  7. Mijo

    Mijo Leica Place Veteran

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    That's been one of the downsides, for me, about using the M-E. I knew before I got into it though that I would have to use an external finder if I wanted to go wider than 28mm, but I love to shoot UWA on m4/3. Having to focus with the rangefinder than compose with the external finder seems very tedious but I haven't tried it myself so I'm not really ruling out the wider lenses until I have a chance to actually go hands on.

    I have the 28mm Elmarit and I really like that lens for landscape, the frame lines are just barely visible on the edges of the rangefinder.
     
  8. dornblaser

    dornblaser New to Leica Place

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    Apr 27, 2013
    I did not realize that you needed a finder to go wider than 28mm. That's probably why the 28, 35 & 50 are so popular. I do use my O12, 24mm equivalent, lens a lot for landscapes.
     
  9. dornblaser

    dornblaser New to Leica Place

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    Apr 27, 2013
    I have another, not quite related question, that I thought I would post here instead of starting a new thread. I have always heard that Leica digitals do not work well 90mm and beyond, do I assume correctly that is another limitation of the rangefinder needing an external finder?

    Thanks in advance.

    - David
     
  10. usayit

    usayit Leica Place Regular Subscribing Member

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    The main issue is the base rangefinder length... many also find the smallish bright lines for 90mm and further too small. Again not the camera for everyone. I often shoot with a 24mm often previsualizing the composition.... its pretty fluid.. incorporating a bit of peripheral with what I already observe.
     
  11. Brian

    Brian Super Moderator Subscribing Member

    Apr 3, 2013
    I use a 1.25x magnifier for longer lenses, this is with a Nikkor 10.5cm F2.5 on the m Monochrom:

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    I'll put up some shots with a 135 soon.
     
  12. Duane Pandorf

    Duane Pandorf Leica Place Regular

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    I've been enjoying shooting with my 90 Elmarit on my Leica M-E. I have a few examples here:

    gasblowing-5.

    and here:

    jeff-sipe-trio-9.

    There's more on my blog.
     
  13. CaptZoom

    CaptZoom Leica Place Regular

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    Apr 11, 2013
    As you know, the view in a rangefinder camera viewfinder does not change. Frame lines corresponding to some focal lengths (28mm, 35mm, 50mm, 75mm, 90mm, 135mm) are overplayed in the viewfinder to help with composition. The 28mm frames take up almost the entirety of the viewfinder. So if a wider lens is mounted, an external viewfinder is required for composition. The proper focus is still achieved with the built in viewfinder. At the other end of the focal length spectrum, the 135mm frame lines are barely bigger than the focusing patch, which makes composing difficult. An external viewfinder can once again be used for composition. A magnifying eyepiece can also be used to help with focusing and composing with 135mm lenses.

    Leica has addressed these concerns in the new Leica M (aka M240) which features Live View capability.

    Another area of concern for landscape photography and Leica rangefinder cameras was lack of weather sealing. This too has been remedied in the new M.
     
  14. flash

    flash Leica Place Regular

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    If your rangefinder is calibrated longer lenses are fine. I use the 135 APO telyt all the time.

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    141-k&j_by_FlashGordonPhotography.jpg by Flash Gordon Photography, on Flickr

    Gordon


     
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