Thread to ask "Doesn't look right": Lenses/Camera look "faked/Forged/counterfeit" before you buy

Discussion in 'Open Discussion' started by Brian, May 18, 2013.

  1. Brian

    Brian Super Moderator Subscribing Member

    Apr 3, 2013
    I've been seeing a trend lately to boost the sale price of equipment by changing out the Serial Numbers, Aperture Rings, even fake screws- to boost the price. Most that I've seen are Ebay auctions from the former Soviet Union countries. I've worked on some of these lenses just to inform the buyer that it is a much more common lens than what was advertised.

    This one for example: a standard Jupiter-3 focus mount:

    Lens ZK Sonnar Krasnogorsk 1 5 50mm Leica Fed 1947 Made s N 000180 | eBay

    And another

    The focus ring in the standard J-3 has three set screws, the German version has an extra "stop Screw" that sets the stops for close/infinity. I prefer the Russian J-3 design- but th German version is worth more.

    I have personally converted a Contax mount ZK optics module to LTM using a Jupiter-3 focus mount, and a 1950 Jupiter-3 Contax mount to Leica mount: and would advertise as such. You would not know if the optics module on this one is genuine until unscrewing it from the mount and finding a Serial Number stamped into the rear module.

    Another "not quite right":

    1951 Made Lens MC Jupiter 8 2 50 s N 5111497 M39 Fed ZORKI Leica | eBay

    The early J-8 focus mounts were constructed differently, and do not have three screws holding the rear section in. This one does, it was made in 1955 or later.
  2. Brian

    Brian Super Moderator Subscribing Member

    Apr 3, 2013
    Same seller, another counterfeit. A later ZOMZ lens with a re-engraved namering and an aperture ring with wings.

    1947 Made Lens MC ZORKI ZK F 1 5 50mm M39 Leica RARE s N 000130 | eBay

    The rear of the optics module shows the rear triplet being held in with a retaining ring into the main optical fixture. The rear module of the pre-1963 J-3's unscrews as a unit from the main fixture. Later ones like this went to one-piece construction.

    I would not buy anything from this seller, seems to be a "Fake Factory".
  3. usayit

    usayit Leica Place Regular Subscribing Member

    Mar 31, 2013
    Northern NJ
    So what would their response be if you asked a question about the inconsistencies....?
  4. Brian

    Brian Super Moderator Subscribing Member

    Apr 3, 2013
    I know some members of have also noted this- and sent unanswered inquiries.

    I think "Blissful/Intentional Ignorance" on the part of the seller and "Ebay Buyer Beware" applies here.